John Buckwalter posted a video of his shay going up the logging line - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okt1eKvNHN8&feature=youtu.be . He asked one of the young local engineers to operate his shay while he shot the video. John has a website www.ngshay.com where he describes his shay in more detail. Mike Green sent a couple short videos of the same engineer starting a small standard gauge 3 cylinder shay on a ~3% grade; see Shay1 and Shay2. It will be interesting to see if some of the rod engines can navigate the logging line as easily as these shays --- the blow down meet this weekend will be a good opportunity.